Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group

11 Jul 2019
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Colleagues,
The National Data Services Interest Group has been facilitating the discussion of data services in a national/regional context since Plenary 5. The most recent IG meeting was held at P12 in Gaborone, and the most recent output of the IG was a summary of selected National Data Services based on a survey. There was no submission for the IG for the previous plenary in Philadelphia, and there was no submission for the upcoming plenary in Helsinki.
Given recent efforts to create the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group (which emerged from the last couple of Plenaries from discussion of the GOSC BOF group), and the common interests and overlaps with the National Data Services IG, we are recommending that the NDS IG be put on hold, and current IG members direct their attention to the GOSC efforts. There is a strong likelihood that the GOSC discussion will lead to the creation of both an Interest Group, and an initial Working Group, so there will be ample opportunity for ongoing discussion of national/international data services, and their interoperability at the international scale. We will endeavour to share the initial descriptions of the GOSC group(s) as soon as possible, so NDS IG Members can get a better sense of the synergies.
As the current co-chairs of the NDS IG, we would like to provide the Members with an opportunity to comment on this recommendation, so please let us know via this NDS IG list if you have feedback. Thanks,
Sent on behalf of the NDS IG Co-Chairs: Adrian Burton, Christine Kirkpatrick, Mark Leggott
Mark
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  • Juan Bicarregui's picture

    Author: Juan Bicarregui

    Date: 11 Jul, 2019

    Dear Mark and all,
    I agree with the suggestion – there is a large overlap between the aims of the two groups and so it is a good idea to merge them.
    Best wishes,
    Juan.
    - Show quoted text -From: mark.leggott=***@***.***-groups.org [mailto:***@***.***-groups.org] On Behalf Of mleggott
    Sent: 11 July 2019 13:59
    To: National Data Services IG
    Subject: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    Colleagues,
    The National Data Services Interest Group has been facilitating the discussion of data services in a national/regional context since Plenary 5. The most recent IG meeting was held at P12 in Gaborone, and the most recent output of the IG was a summary of selected National Data Services based on a survey. There was no submission for the IG for the previous plenary in Philadelphia, and there was no submission for the upcoming plenary in Helsinki.
    Given recent efforts to create the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group (which emerged from the last couple of Plenaries from discussion of the GOSC BOF group), and the common interests and overlaps with the National Data Services IG, we are recommending that the NDS IG be put on hold, and current IG members direct their attention to the GOSC efforts. There is a strong likelihood that the GOSC discussion will lead to the creation of both an Interest Group, and an initial Working Group, so there will be ample opportunity for ongoing discussion of national/international data services, and their interoperability at the international scale. We will endeavour to share the initial descriptions of the GOSC group(s) as soon as possible, so NDS IG Members can get a better sense of the synergies.
    As the current co-chairs of the NDS IG, we would like to provide the Members with an opportunity to comment on this recommendation, so please let us know via this NDS IG list if you have feedback. Thanks,
    Sent on behalf of the NDS IG Co-Chairs: Adrian Burton, Christine Kirkpatrick, Mark Leggott
    Mark
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    Research Data Canada / Données de recherche Canada
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  • Dale Peters's picture

    Author: Dale Peters

    Date: 11 Jul, 2019

    Hi All!
    The recommendation to rationalise the NDS IG in the GOSC initiative is supported – with thanks to NDS-IG co-chairs and members for valuable engagements.
    Kind regards,
    Dale
    [cid:***@***.***]
    Dr Dale Peters
    Director
    UCT eResearch
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    - Show quoted text -From: mark.leggott=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of mleggott
    Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2019 14:59
    To: National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    Colleagues,
    The National Data Services Interest Group has been facilitating the discussion of data services in a national/regional context since Plenary 5. The most recent IG meeting was held at P12 in Gaborone, and the most recent output of the IG was a summary of selected National Data Services based on a survey. There was no submission for the IG for the previous plenary in Philadelphia, and there was no submission for the upcoming plenary in Helsinki.
    Given recent efforts to create the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group (which emerged from the last couple of Plenaries from discussion of the GOSC BOF group), and the common interests and overlaps with the National Data Services IG, we are recommending that the NDS IG be put on hold, and current IG members direct their attention to the GOSC efforts. There is a strong likelihood that the GOSC discussion will lead to the creation of both an Interest Group, and an initial Working Group, so there will be ample opportunity for ongoing discussion of national/international data services, and their interoperability at the international scale. We will endeavour to share the initial descriptions of the GOSC group(s) as soon as possible, so NDS IG Members can get a better sense of the synergies.
    As the current co-chairs of the NDS IG, we would like to provide the Members with an opportunity to comment on this recommendation, so please let us know via this NDS IG list if you have feedback. Thanks,
    Sent on behalf of the NDS IG Co-Chairs: Adrian Burton, Christine Kirkpatrick, Mark Leggott
    Mark
    Mark Leggott, Executive Director / Directeur exécutif
    Research Data Canada / Données de recherche Canada
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  • Sandra Gesing's picture

    Author: Sandra Gesing

    Date: 11 Jul, 2019

    Dear all,
    I agree - I think it's a great idea to merge them!
    Best,
    Sandra
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Sandra Gesing
    Associate Research Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    Computational Scientist, Center for Research Computing
    University of Notre Dame
    http://www3.nd.edu/~sgesing
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  • Rebecca Koskela's picture

    Author: Rebecca Koskela

    Date: 11 Jul, 2019

    I also agree but I am having difficulty finding the Global Open Science
    Commons (GOSC) Interest Group on
    the RDA website. If the proposed group hasn't been endorsed yet, is there
    a way to follow the
    progress so that we can sign up as members?
    Thanks,
    Rebecca
    Executive Director, DataONE
    University of New Mexico
    1312 Basehart SE
    Albuquerque, NM 87106
    Email: ***@***.***
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  • Anita de Waard's picture

    Author: Anita de Waard

    Date: 11 Jul, 2019

    I’m always for merging of groups, but what is the scope and goal of the ’Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group’?
    In my experience, the clearer the outputs, the more engaged WG members are. I’d love to contribute to a group with a clear goal, and a set of proposed outputs – and thoughts up front on how those outputs will be used, and by whom.
    Anita
    From: rkoskela=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of rkoskela
    Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:42 AM
    To: Sandra Gesing <***@***.***>; National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Cc: Dale.Peters <***@***.***>; mleggott <***@***.***-drc.ca>
    Subject: Re: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    I also agree but I am having difficulty finding the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group on
    the RDA website. If the proposed group hasn't been endorsed yet, is there a way to follow the
    progress so that we can sign up as members?
    Thanks,
    Rebecca
    Executive Director, DataONE
    University of New Mexico
    1312 Basehart SE
    Albuquerque, NM 87106
    Email: ***@***.***
    Cell: (505) 382-0890
    Fax: (505) 246-6007
    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:27 AM Sandra Gesing <***@***.***> wrote:
    Dear all,
    I agree - I think it's a great idea to merge them!
    Best,
    Sandra
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Sandra Gesing
    Associate Research Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    Computational Scientist, Center for Research Computing
    University of Notre Dame
    http://www3.nd.edu/~sgesing
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:29 AM Dale.Peters <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi All!
    The recommendation to rationalise the NDS IG in the GOSC initiative is supported – with thanks to NDS-IG co-chairs and members for valuable engagements.
    Kind regards,
    Dale
    [cid:***@***.***]
    Dr Dale Peters
    Director
    UCT eResearch
    +27 21 650 5932
    ***@***.***
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    - Show quoted text -From: mark.leggott=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of mleggott
    Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2019 14:59
    To: National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    Colleagues,
    The National Data Services Interest Group has been facilitating the discussion of data services in a national/regional context since Plenary 5. The most recent IG meeting was held at P12 in Gaborone, and the most recent output of the IG was a summary of selected National Data Services based on a survey. There was no submission for the IG for the previous plenary in Philadelphia, and there was no submission for the upcoming plenary in Helsinki.
    Given recent efforts to create the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group (which emerged from the last couple of Plenaries from discussion of the GOSC BOF group), and the common interests and overlaps with the National Data Services IG, we are recommending that the NDS IG be put on hold, and current IG members direct their attention to the GOSC efforts. There is a strong likelihood that the GOSC discussion will lead to the creation of both an Interest Group, and an initial Working Group, so there will be ample opportunity for ongoing discussion of national/international data services, and their interoperability at the international scale. We will endeavour to share the initial descriptions of the GOSC group(s) as soon as possible, so NDS IG Members can get a better sense of the synergies.
    As the current co-chairs of the NDS IG, we would like to provide the Members with an opportunity to comment on this recommendation, so please let us know via this NDS IG list if you have feedback. Thanks,
    Sent on behalf of the NDS IG Co-Chairs: Adrian Burton, Christine Kirkpatrick, Mark Leggott
    Mark
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    Research Data Canada / Données de recherche Canada
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  • Mark Leggott's picture

    Author: Mark Leggott

    Date: 11 Jul, 2019

    Hi Rebecca, I will provide more information when I have something that can be shared. There is nothing yet about the new group on the site as their Case Statement hasn’t yet been approved. I will let everyone on the list know as soon as I do!
    Mark
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    Research Data Canada / Données de recherche Canada
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    From: Rebecca Koskela <***@***.***>
    Reply-To: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>
    Date: Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 12:41
    To: Sandra Gesing <***@***.***>
    Cc: "Dale.Peters" <***@***.***>, National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>, Mark Leggott <***@***.***-drc.ca>
    Subject: Re: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    I also agree but I am having difficulty finding the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group on
    the RDA website. If the proposed group hasn't been endorsed yet, is there a way to follow the
    progress so that we can sign up as members?
    Thanks,
    Rebecca
    Executive Director, DataONE
    University of New Mexico
    1312 Basehart SE
    Albuquerque, NM 87106
    Email: ***@***.***
    Cell: (505) 382-0890
    Fax: (505) 246-6007
    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:27 AM Sandra Gesing <***@***.***> wrote:
    Dear all,
    I agree - I think it's a great idea to merge them!
    Best,
    Sandra
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Sandra Gesing
    Associate Research Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    Computational Scientist, Center for Research Computing
    University of Notre Dame
    http://www3.nd.edu/~sgesing
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:29 AM Dale.Peters <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi All!
    The recommendation to rationalise the NDS IG in the GOSC initiative is supported – with thanks to NDS-IG co-chairs and members for valuable engagements.
    Kind regards,
    Dale
    [cid:16be18219754ce8e91]
    Dr Dale Peters
    Director
    UCT eResearch
    +27 21 650 5932
    ***@***.***
    eresearch.uct.ac.za
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    - Show quoted text -From: mark.leggott=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of mleggott
    Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2019 14:59
    To: National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    Colleagues,
    The National Data Services Interest Group has been facilitating the discussion of data services in a national/regional context since Plenary 5. The most recent IG meeting was held at P12 in Gaborone, and the most recent output of the IG was a summary of selected National Data Services based on a survey. There was no submission for the IG for the previous plenary in Philadelphia, and there was no submission for the upcoming plenary in Helsinki.
    Given recent efforts to create the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group (which emerged from the last couple of Plenaries from discussion of the GOSC BOF group), and the common interests and overlaps with the National Data Services IG, we are recommending that the NDS IG be put on hold, and current IG members direct their attention to the GOSC efforts. There is a strong likelihood that the GOSC discussion will lead to the creation of both an Interest Group, and an initial Working Group, so there will be ample opportunity for ongoing discussion of national/international data services, and their interoperability at the international scale. We will endeavour to share the initial descriptions of the GOSC group(s) as soon as possible, so NDS IG Members can get a better sense of the synergies.
    As the current co-chairs of the NDS IG, we would like to provide the Members with an opportunity to comment on this recommendation, so please let us know via this NDS IG list if you have feedback. Thanks,
    Sent on behalf of the NDS IG Co-Chairs: Adrian Burton, Christine Kirkpatrick, Mark Leggott
    Mark
    Mark Leggott, Executive Director / Directeur exécutif
    Research Data Canada / Données de recherche Canada
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  • Keith Russell's picture

    Author: Keith Russell

    Date: 12 Jul, 2019

    Hi Mark,
    I think that makes perfect sense and also provides an opportunity for
    direction for an interest group.
    E.g: how to establish a national or regional data commons or cloud? What
    elements need to be considered? Possible models for governance and
    inclusion? How to connect your national data service or cloud/commons with
    other cloud/commons emerging around the world?
    Kind regards,
    Keith
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  • Christine Kirkpatrick's picture

    Author: Christine Kirkp...

    Date: 12 Jul, 2019

    I am eager to see the formation and description of the GOSC group as well and defer to someone from GOSC to answer. To explain more from the NDS IG side… we found that now we’re an established group, that the topics of interest have moved from ‘what countries have national data services and what are they providing’ to a deeper dive into those services and platforms. As well, we’ve struggled somewhat to include relevant services and projects while keeping the scope at the country level. As we’ve seen, not all countries have an NDS, but there are other successful projects relevant to the members of the IG. We see this as a logical evolution of the NDS IG – to now focus less on the scope of the service, to be more inclusive, and highlight the capabilities and connection of data commons and services.
    Thanks everyone for being open to this!
    Christine
    From: a.dewaard=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of Anita de Waard
    Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 8:52 AM
    To: rkoskela <***@***.***>; Sandra Gesing <***@***.***>; National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Cc: Dale.Peters <***@***.***>; mleggott <***@***.***-drc.ca>
    Subject: Re: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    I’m always for merging of groups, but what is the scope and goal of the ’Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group’?
    In my experience, the clearer the outputs, the more engaged WG members are. I’d love to contribute to a group with a clear goal, and a set of proposed outputs – and thoughts up front on how those outputs will be used, and by whom.
    Anita
    From: rkoskela=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of rkoskela
    Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:42 AM
    To: Sandra Gesing <***@***.***>; National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Cc: Dale.Peters <***@***.***>; mleggott <***@***.***-drc.ca>
    Subject: Re: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    I also agree but I am having difficulty finding the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group on
    the RDA website. If the proposed group hasn't been endorsed yet, is there a way to follow the
    progress so that we can sign up as members?
    Thanks,
    Rebecca
    Executive Director, DataONE
    University of New Mexico
    1312 Basehart SE
    Albuquerque, NM 87106
    Email: ***@***.***
    Cell: (505) 382-0890
    Fax: (505) 246-6007
    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:27 AM Sandra Gesing <***@***.***> wrote:
    Dear all,
    I agree - I think it's a great idea to merge them!
    Best,
    Sandra
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Sandra Gesing
    Associate Research Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    Computational Scientist, Center for Research Computing
    University of Notre Dame
    http://www3.nd.edu/~sgesing
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:29 AM Dale.Peters <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi All!
    The recommendation to rationalise the NDS IG in the GOSC initiative is supported – with thanks to NDS-IG co-chairs and members for valuable engagements.
    Kind regards,
    Dale
    [cid:***@***.***]
    Dr Dale Peters
    Director
    UCT eResearch
    +27 21 650 5932
    ***@***.***
    eresearch.uct.ac.za
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    - Show quoted text -From: mark.leggott=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of mleggott
    Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2019 14:59
    To: National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    Colleagues,
    The National Data Services Interest Group has been facilitating the discussion of data services in a national/regional context since Plenary 5. The most recent IG meeting was held at P12 in Gaborone, and the most recent output of the IG was a summary of selected National Data Services based on a survey. There was no submission for the IG for the previous plenary in Philadelphia, and there was no submission for the upcoming plenary in Helsinki.
    Given recent efforts to create the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group (which emerged from the last couple of Plenaries from discussion of the GOSC BOF group), and the common interests and overlaps with the National Data Services IG, we are recommending that the NDS IG be put on hold, and current IG members direct their attention to the GOSC efforts. There is a strong likelihood that the GOSC discussion will lead to the creation of both an Interest Group, and an initial Working Group, so there will be ample opportunity for ongoing discussion of national/international data services, and their interoperability at the international scale. We will endeavour to share the initial descriptions of the GOSC group(s) as soon as possible, so NDS IG Members can get a better sense of the synergies.
    As the current co-chairs of the NDS IG, we would like to provide the Members with an opportunity to comment on this recommendation, so please let us know via this NDS IG list if you have feedback. Thanks,
    Sent on behalf of the NDS IG Co-Chairs: Adrian Burton, Christine Kirkpatrick, Mark Leggott
    Mark
    Mark Leggott, Executive Director / Directeur exécutif
    Research Data Canada / Données de recherche Canada
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  • Cahyo  Trianggoro's picture

    Author: Cahyo Trianggoro

    Date: 12 Jul, 2019

    Hi Mark,
    Thank you for allowing me involve in this discussion as the new member of
    the NDS IG. It was very interesting for the initiative to merge NDS to
    GOSC. Personally, I really curious with the idea from Keith Russel
    regarding the governance of national or regional data services since we are
    in Indonesia are trying to establish National Data Service.
    Warm Regards,
    Cahyo Trianggoro
    Researcher
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    Sciences (LIPI)*
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  • Kenton McHenry's picture

    Author: Kenton McHenry

    Date: 12 Jul, 2019

    Makes sense. I’m completely supportive of this merger. Will the co-chairs of the NDS-IG have some role within the new GOSC interest group?
    Kenton McHenry, Ph.D.
    Principal Research Scientist, Adjunct Assistant Professor of Computer Science
    Deputy Director of the Scientific Software & Applications Division
    National Center for Supercomputing Applications, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
    On Jul 11, 2019, at 7:59 PM, christine <***@***.***> wrote:
    I am eager to see the formation and description of the GOSC group as well and defer to someone from GOSC to answer. To explain more from the NDS IG side… we found that now we’re an established group, that the topics of interest have moved from ‘what countries have national data services and what are they providing’ to a deeper dive into those services and platforms. As well, we’ve struggled somewhat to include relevant services and projects while keeping the scope at the country level. As we’ve seen, not all countries have an NDS, but there are other successful projects relevant to the members of the IG. We see this as a logical evolution of the NDS IG – to now focus less on the scope of the service, to be more inclusive, and highlight the capabilities and connection of data commons and services.
    Thanks everyone for being open to this!
    Christine
    From: a.dewaard=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of Anita de Waard
    Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 8:52 AM
    To: rkoskela <***@***.***>; Sandra Gesing <***@***.***>; National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Cc: Dale.Peters <***@***.***>; mleggott <***@***.***-drc.ca>
    Subject: Re: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    I’m always for merging of groups, but what is the scope and goal of the ’Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group’?
    In my experience, the clearer the outputs, the more engaged WG members are. I’d love to contribute to a group with a clear goal, and a set of proposed outputs – and thoughts up front on how those outputs will be used, and by whom.
    Anita
    From: rkoskela=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of rkoskela
    Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:42 AM
    To: Sandra Gesing <***@***.***>; National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Cc: Dale.Peters <***@***.***>; mleggott <***@***.***-drc.ca>
    Subject: Re: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    I also agree but I am having difficulty finding the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group on
    the RDA website. If the proposed group hasn't been endorsed yet, is there a way to follow the
    progress so that we can sign up as members?
    Thanks,
    Rebecca
    Executive Director, DataONE
    University of New Mexico
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    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:27 AM Sandra Gesing <***@***.***> wrote:
    Dear all,
    I agree - I think it's a great idea to merge them!
    Best,
    Sandra
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    Sandra Gesing
    Associate Research Professor, Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    Computational Scientist, Center for Research Computing
    University of Notre Dame
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    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:29 AM Dale.Peters <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi All!
    The recommendation to rationalise the NDS IG in the GOSC initiative is supported – with thanks to NDS-IG co-chairs and members for valuable engagements.
    Kind regards,
    Dale

    Dr Dale Peters
    Director
    UCT eResearch
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    - Show quoted text -From: mark.leggott=***@***.***-groups.org <***@***.***-groups.org> On Behalf Of mleggott
    Sent: Thursday, 11 July 2019 14:59
    To: National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    Colleagues,
    The National Data Services Interest Group has been facilitating the discussion of data services in a national/regional context since Plenary 5. The most recent IG meeting was held at P12 in Gaborone, and the most recent output of the IG was a summary of selected National Data Services based on a survey. There was no submission for the IG for the previous plenary in Philadelphia, and there was no submission for the upcoming plenary in Helsinki.
    Given recent efforts to create the Global Open Science Commons (GOSC) Interest Group (which emerged from the last couple of Plenaries from discussion of the GOSC BOF group), and the common interests and overlaps with the National Data Services IG, we are recommending that the NDS IG be put on hold, and current IG members direct their attention to the GOSC efforts. There is a strong likelihood that the GOSC discussion will lead to the creation of both an Interest Group, and an initial Working Group, so there will be ample opportunity for ongoing discussion of national/international data services, and their interoperability at the international scale. We will endeavour to share the initial descriptions of the GOSC group(s) as soon as possible, so NDS IG Members can get a better sense of the synergies.
    As the current co-chairs of the NDS IG, we would like to provide the Members with an opportunity to comment on this recommendation, so please let us know via this NDS IG list if you have feedback. Thanks,
    Sent on behalf of the NDS IG Co-Chairs: Adrian Burton, Christine Kirkpatrick, Mark Leggott
    Mark
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  • Ville Tenhunen's picture

    Author: Ville Tenhunen

    Date: 12 Jul, 2019

    Hi all,
    For example we have in Finland NDS and the development project for it
    (nowadays called "Fairdata"). Additionally our open science initiaticves
    has moved from the ministry driven approach to the community driven
    approach (https://avointiede.fi/en/frontpage). These two things (NDS and
    open science initiative) are somehow separate (e.g. they are managed
    separately). Still we can think NDS as a part of open science
    functionalities.
    I think it might be good idea to look all these thing from the broader
    perspective and if there is strictly NDS related issues, then we can
    restart old IG or initiate specific WG.
    So, I agree :-)
    BR,
    Ville

  • Adrian Burton's picture

    Author: Adrian Burton

    Date: 12 Jul, 2019

    Hi all,
    there was a BOF session of the proposed GOSC group at the last plenary in
    Philadelphia. See agenda here with some further links:
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/bof-coordinating-global-open-science-commons...
    The content of that meeting touched quite a few areas in common with NDS
    IG: types of services; types of business models; pitching the vision;
    technical interoperability. That meeting seemed to indicate to me that
    indeed there were indeed considerable shared issues.
    i'll try and put my hands on the meeting notes.
    cheers,
    Adrian
    On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 5:53 PM vtenhunen <***@***.***>
    wrote:

  • Lesley Wyborn's picture

    Author: Lesley Wyborn

    Date: 12 Jul, 2019

    Dear all
    I Agree with the merger – there are too many groups in RDA.
    Merging ones with similar ambitions is a great idea.
    Take care
    Lesley
    From: <***@***.***-groups.org> on behalf of Adrian Burton <***@***.***>
    Date: Friday, 12 July 2019 at 1:42 am
    To: vtenhunen <***@***.***>, National Data Services IG <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: Re: [national-data-services] Update on the RDA NDS Interest Group
    Hi all,
    there was a BOF session of the proposed GOSC group at the last plenary in Philadelphia. See agenda here with some further links:
    https://www.rd-alliance.org/bof-coordinating-global-open-science-commons...
    The content of that meeting touched quite a few areas in common with NDS IG: types of services; types of business models; pitching the vision; technical interoperability. That meeting seemed to indicate to me that indeed there were indeed considerable shared issues.
    i'll try and put my hands on the meeting notes.
    cheers,
    Adrian
    On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 5:53 PM vtenhunen <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi all,
    For example we have in Finland NDS and the development project for it
    (nowadays called "Fairdata"). Additionally our open science initiaticves
    has moved from the ministry driven approach to the community driven
    approach (https://avointiede.fi/en/frontpage). These two things (NDS and
    open science initiative) are somehow separate (e.g. they are managed
    separately). Still we can think NDS as a part of open science
    functionalities.
    I think it might be good idea to look all these thing from the broader
    perspective and if there is strictly NDS related issues, then we can
    restart old IG or initiate specific WG.
    So, I agree :-)
    BR,
    Ville

  • Leandro Neumann Ciuffo's picture

    Author: Leandro Neumann...

    Date: 16 Jul, 2019

    In case of merge, please let us know the utltimate group URL (in case it changes).
    regards,
    Leandro Ciuffo
    RNP - Rede Nacional de Ensino e Pesquisa
    ORCID: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-9747-2279

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