RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...

20 Dec 2017
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That is something that NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly effective), with their oceanic and climate data.
Jeff DLB could tell you if what they did is actually relevant to this topic and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested in this proposed task force.
jennie
- Show quoted text -From: sjskhalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
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Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
Hi Anita,
This is a topic I'm interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even that well versed in it. Also, given that EarthCube and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.
Cheers,
SiriJodha
On 12/19/17 2:28 PM, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:
Excellent!
Would the two of you be interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic, then? All we'd need is a few lines of description, and we can put a call out to the group to start an initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be great!
Thanks so much,
Anita
From: Pete McQuilton
<***@***.***>
Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28 AM
To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group: Looking back and...
Hi all,
Thanks SiriJodha for the Earthcube link, the documentation looks very comprehensive.
I'd like to add another link if I may, for the bioschemas initiative (http://bioschemas.org), which aims to improve data interoperability in the life sciences, through schema.org and 'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.
Cheers,
Pete
FAIRsharing.org
On 18/12/2017 19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:
Howdy Everyone,
In regard to this potential future topic:
On 12/1/17 7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:
* Making research data more discoverable by search engines.
An NSF EarthCube project has done a lot of work on guidelines for producing quality schema.org markup, with additional extensions to schema.org classes, that should help repositories produce markup that will pass the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with 0 errors: https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary
Cheers,
SiriJodha
--
Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
National Snow and Ice Data Center
University of Colorado
Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsahttp://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550
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Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
National Snow and Ice Data Center
University of Colorado
Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsa
http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550

  • Anita de Waard's picture

    Author: Anita de Waard

    Date: 20 Dec, 2017

    Thanks, who is Jeff DLB? Happy to contact him, if you have details?
    Anita
    From: JennieLarkin <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:00 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, a-waarda <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    That is something that NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly effective), with their oceanic and climate data.
    Jeff DLB could tell you if what they did is actually relevant to this topic and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested in this proposed task force.
    jennie
    - Show quoted text -From: sjskhalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
    To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Hi Anita,
    This is a topic I'm interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even that well versed in it. Also, given that EarthCube and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 12/19/17 2:28 PM, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:
    Excellent!
    Would the two of you be interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic, then? All we’d need is a few lines of description, and we can put a call out to the group to start an initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be great!
    Thanks so much,
    Anita
    From: Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>
    Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group: Looking back and...
    Hi all,
    Thanks SiriJodha for the Earthcube link, the documentation looks very comprehensive.
    I'd like to add another link if I may, for the bioschemas initiative (http://bioschemas.org), which aims to improve data interoperability in the life sciences, through schema.org and 'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.
    Cheers,
    Pete
    FAIRsharing.org
    On 18/12/2017 19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:
    Howdy Everyone,
    In regard to this potential future topic:
    On 12/1/17 7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:
    · Making research data more discoverable by search engines.
    An NSF EarthCube project has done a lot of work on guidelines for producing quality schema.org markup, with additional extensions to schema.org classes, that should help repositories produce markup that will pass the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with 0 errors: https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    --
    Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
    National Snow and Ice Data Center
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
    http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsahttp://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550
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    Oxford e-Research Centre
    University of Oxford
    OX1 3QG, UK
    International Society of Biocuration
    Skype: petemcquilton
    Twitter: @drosophilic
    ORCID: 0000-0003-2687-1982
    --
    Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
    National Snow and Ice Data Center
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
    http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsa
    http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550

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    Author: Jennie Larkin

    Date: 20 Dec, 2017

    Oh! Jeff de la Beaujardiere - He is NOAA's Data Management Architect.
    Jeff de La Beaujardière
    EDMC Chair
    301-713-7175
    ***@***.***
    He is amazing. He attends (at least some) RDA meetings.
    Jennie
    - Show quoted text -From: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:55 AM
    To: Larkin, Jennie (NIH/NIDDK) [E] <***@***.***>; sjskhalsa <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Thanks, who is Jeff DLB? Happy to contact him, if you have details?
    Anita
    From: JennieLarkin <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:00 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, a-waarda <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    That is something that NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly effective), with their oceanic and climate data.
    Jeff DLB could tell you if what they did is actually relevant to this topic and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested in this proposed task force.
    jennie
    From: sjskhalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
    To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Hi Anita,
    This is a topic I'm interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even that well versed in it. Also, given that EarthCube and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 12/19/17 2:28 PM, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:
    Excellent!
    Would the two of you be interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic, then? All we'd need is a few lines of description, and we can put a call out to the group to start an initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be great!
    Thanks so much,
    Anita
    From: Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>
    Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group: Looking back and...
    Hi all,
    Thanks SiriJodha for the Earthcube link, the documentation looks very comprehensive.
    I'd like to add another link if I may, for the bioschemas initiative (http://bioschemas.org), which aims to improve data interoperability in the life sciences, through schema.org and 'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.
    Cheers,
    Pete
    FAIRsharing.org
    On 18/12/2017 19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:
    Howdy Everyone,
    In regard to this potential future topic:
    On 12/1/17 7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:
    · Making research data more discoverable by search engines.
    An NSF EarthCube project has done a lot of work on guidelines for producing quality schema.org markup, with additional extensions to schema.org classes, that should help repositories produce markup that will pass the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with 0 errors: https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    --
    Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
    National Snow and Ice Data Center
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
    http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsahttp://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550
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    FAIRsharing.org
    Oxford e-Research Centre
    University of Oxford
    OX1 3QG, UK
    International Society of Biocuration
    Skype: petemcquilton
    Twitter: @drosophilic
    ORCID: 0000-0003-2687-1982
    --
    Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
    National Snow and Ice Data Center
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
    http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsa
    http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550
    Oh! Jeff de la Beaujardiere - He is NOAA's Data Management Architect.
    Jeff de La Beaujardière
    EDMC Chair
    301-713-7175
    ***@***.***
    He is amazing. He attends (at least some) RDA meetings.
    Jennie
    From: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:55 AM
    To: Larkin, Jennie (NIH/NIDDK) [E] <***@***.***>; sjskhalsa <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Thanks, who is Jeff DLB? Happy to contact him, if you have details?
    Anita
    From: JennieLarkin <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:00 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, a-waarda <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    That is something that NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly effective), with their oceanic and climate data.
    Jeff DLB could tell you if what they did is actually relevant to this topic and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested in this proposed task force.
    jennie
    - Show quoted text -From: sjskhalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
    To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Hi Anita,
    This is a topic I'm interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even that well versed in it. Also, given that EarthCube and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 12/19/17 2:28 PM, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:
    Excellent!
    Would the two of you be interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic, then? All we'd need is a few lines of description, and we can put a call out to the group to start an initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be great!
    Thanks so much,
    Anita
    From: Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>
    Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group: Looking back and...
    Hi all,
    Thanks SiriJodha for the Earthcube link, the documentation looks very comprehensive.
    I'd like to add another link if I may, for the bioschemas initiative (http://bioschemas.org), which aims to improve data interoperability in the life sciences, through schema.org and 'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.
    Cheers,
    Pete
    FAIRsharing.org
    On 18/12/2017 19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:
    Howdy Everyone,
    In regard to this potential future topic:
    On 12/1/17 7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:
    · Making research data more discoverable by search engines.
    An NSF EarthCube project has done a lot of work on guidelines for producing quality schema.org markup, with additional extensions to schema.org classes, that should help repositories produce markup that will pass the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with 0 errors: https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    --
    Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
    National Snow and Ice Data Center
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
    http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsahttp://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550
    --
    Full post: https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/data-discovery-paradigms-ig/post/rda-d...
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    Project Coordinator
    FAIRsharing.org
    Oxford e-Research Centre
    University of Oxford
    OX1 3QG, UK
    International Society of Biocuration
    Skype: petemcquilton
    Twitter: @drosophilic
    ORCID: 0000-0003-2687-1982
    --
    Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
    National Snow and Ice Data Center
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
    http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsa
    http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550

  • Anita de Waard's picture

    Author: Anita de Waard

    Date: 20 Dec, 2017

    Ah yes, I’ve met him, I didn’t know that was his nickname!
    He is also quite charming, happy to reach out to him :-)!
    Anita
    From: , "Jennie [E] (NIH/NIDDK)" <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:02 AM
    To: a-waarda <***@***.***>, Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: RE: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Oh! Jeff de la Beaujardiere – He is NOAA’s Data Management Architect.
    Jeff de La Beaujardière
    EDMC Chair
    301-713-7175
    ***@***.***
    He is amazing. He attends (at least some) RDA meetings.
    Jennie
    - Show quoted text -From: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:55 AM
    To: Larkin, Jennie (NIH/NIDDK) [E] <***@***.***>; sjskhalsa <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Thanks, who is Jeff DLB? Happy to contact him, if you have details?
    Anita
    From: JennieLarkin <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:00 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, a-waarda <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    That is something that NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly effective), with their oceanic and climate data.
    Jeff DLB could tell you if what they did is actually relevant to this topic and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested in this proposed task force.
    jennie
    From: sjskhalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
    To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Hi Anita,
    This is a topic I'm interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even that well versed in it. Also, given that EarthCube and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 12/19/17 2:28 PM, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:
    Excellent!
    Would the two of you be interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic, then? All we’d need is a few lines of description, and we can put a call out to the group to start an initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be great!
    Thanks so much,
    Anita
    From: Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>
    Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group: Looking back and...
    Hi all,
    Thanks SiriJodha for the Earthcube link, the documentation looks very comprehensive.
    I'd like to add another link if I may, for the bioschemas initiative (http://bioschemas.org), which aims to improve data interoperability in the life sciences, through schema.org and 'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.
    Cheers,
    Pete
    FAIRsharing.org
    On 18/12/2017 19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:
    Howdy Everyone,
    In regard to this potential future topic:
    On 12/1/17 7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:
    · Making research data more discoverable by search engines.
    An NSF EarthCube project has done a lot of work on guidelines for producing quality schema.org markup, with additional extensions to schema.org classes, that should help repositories produce markup that will pass the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with 0 errors: https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    --
    Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
    National Snow and Ice Data Center
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
    http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsahttp://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550
    --
    Full post: https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/data-discovery-paradigms-ig/post/rda-d...
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    Peter McQuilton, PhD
    Project Coordinator
    FAIRsharing.org
    Oxford e-Research Centre
    University of Oxford
    OX1 3QG, UK
    International Society of Biocuration
    Skype: petemcquilton
    Twitter: @drosophilic
    ORCID: 0000-0003-2687-1982
    --
    Siri-Jodha Singh KHALSA, Ph.D., SMIEEE
    National Snow and Ice Data Center
    University of Colorado
    Boulder, CO 80309-0449 Phone: 1-303-492-1445 GV: 1-303-736-9976
    http://cires.colorado.edu/~khalsa
    http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9217-5550
    Ah yes, I’ve met him, I didn’t know that was his nickname!
    He is also quite charming, happy to reach out to him :-)!
    Anita
    From: , "Jennie [E] (NIH/NIDDK)" <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:02 AM
    To: a-waarda <***@***.***>, Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: RE: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Oh! Jeff de la Beaujardiere – He is NOAA’s Data Management Architect.
    Jeff de La Beaujardière
    EDMC Chair
    301-713-7175
    ***@***.***
    He is amazing. He attends (at least some) RDA meetings.
    Jennie
    From: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 10:55 AM
    To: Larkin, Jennie (NIH/NIDDK) [E] <***@***.***>; sjskhalsa <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Thanks, who is Jeff DLB? Happy to contact him, if you have details?
    Anita
    From: JennieLarkin <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:00 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, a-waarda <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    That is something that NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly effective), with their oceanic and climate data.
    Jeff DLB could tell you if what they did is actually relevant to this topic and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested in this proposed task force.
    jennie
    - Show quoted text -From: sjskhalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
    To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Hi Anita,
    This is a topic I'm interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even that well versed in it. Also, given that EarthCube and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 12/19/17 2:28 PM, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:
    Excellent!
    Would the two of you be interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic, then? All we’d need is a few lines of description, and we can put a call out to the group to start an initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be great!
    Thanks so much,
    Anita
    From: Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>
    Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group: Looking back and...
    Hi all,
    Thanks SiriJodha for the Earthcube link, the documentation looks very comprehensive.
    I'd like to add another link if I may, for the bioschemas initiative (http://bioschemas.org), which aims to improve data interoperability in the life sciences, through schema.org and 'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.
    Cheers,
    Pete
    FAIRsharing.org
    On 18/12/2017 19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:
    Howdy Everyone,
    In regard to this potential future topic:
    On 12/1/17 7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:
    · Making research data more discoverable by search engines.
    An NSF EarthCube project has done a lot of work on guidelines for producing quality schema.org markup, with additional extensions to schema.org classes, that should help repositories produce markup that will pass the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with 0 errors: https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
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    Author: Siri Jodha Khalsa

    Date: 04 Jan, 2018

    charset=windows-1252">

    We may have a critical mass to start a TF on recommendations for
    schema.org markup (or. perhaps more generally, recommendations for
    data publishing to improve discovery by search engines).  Doug Fils
    and Adam Shepherd, of Project 418 are willing to contribute, and
    possibly lead. If Pete is willing to contribute and also someone
    from NOAA, this could get things rolling.
    Jennie, did you get a hold of Jeff DLB or find someone who might
    want to join?
    sjs

    -------- Forwarded Message --------

    cellpadding="0" border="0">

    Subject:
    Re: some further Qs and comments re P418

    Date:
    Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:04:50 +0000

    From:
    Douglas Fils <***@***.***>

    To:
    ***@***.*** <***@***.***>, Adam Shepherd
    <***@***.***>

    CC:
    Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***>

    SiriJodha

      I would and I am sure Adam would too.  Additionally, it would be
    nice to look into these both for RDA and P418.  It might also make
    good report out / sustainability material for the P418.   As  Adam
    mentioned there is the semantics meeting in Ohio this March and Dan
    Brickley will be there.   If we had some material in had between
    P418 and RDA by then I suspect we could put together a good case to
    get some of his time.    I know they (schema.org) are also looking
    at SOSA too.  Adam, you and I should get some time to pour over SOSA
    at ESIP. 

    Doug

     

    0in 0in 0in">

    From:
    style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Siri Jodha Khalsa
    <***@***.***>
    Organization: University of Colorado
    Reply-To: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:58 PM
    To: "***@***.***"
    <***@***.***>, Adam Shepherd
    <***@***.***>
    Cc: Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: some further Qs and comments re P418

    Hi Doug,

    Yes, we had Natasha present to the RDA Data Discovery Paradigms
    Interest Group. We would like to start a working group specifically
    on improving data markup for discovery by crawlers. Would you be
    interested in joining and/or leading such a group?

    Cheers,

    SiriJodha
     

    On 1/3/18 10:40 PM, Douglas Fils wrote:

    SiriJodha,

       Just wanted to echo what Adam said and also, I think Eric did a
    good job addressing your questions.  Feel free to dig through the
    git repo and pose any questions you have.  We will likely have more
    to talk about in a couple weeks or so as there are several near-term
    goals we are working toward.

      Also...  thanks for all your work on Bcube and your advocacy for
    this approach.  I know you’ve been pushing this approach for some
    time now.  I think you are also part of the RDA group that Natasha
    Noy presented to on this.  Would very much like to engage with you
    on that via RDA so do please us in the loop on things occurring
    there. 

    Take care
    Doug

     

    0in 0in 0in">

    From:
    style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Adam Shepherd
    <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>
    Cc: "***@***.***"
    <***@***.***>,
    Eric Lingerfelt
    <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: some further Qs and comments re P418

     

    Hi SiriJodha, 

    Thanks for your email! The link below is to a diagram of how we
    were envisioning someone could use
    schema.org to talk about an award.
    We would love to get feedback on it as it's one of the
    relationships that isn't fleshed out well in
    schema.org. We could create our
    own predicate for linking between a funder and Award, but *I
    think* using an existing
    schema.org class and property will
    help us explain to Google Research how our concepts map into
    theirs. I see that Dan Brickley will be at the U.S. Semantic
    Symposium in early March, and that might be an opportunity for us
    to get feedback from Google on how we should proceed in situations
    like this. Anyway, would like your feedback if you have opinions
    on our approach. Our aim in P418 wasn't to nail all metadata
    concepts perfectly, and we see P418 work being extended in the
    future by the community to flesh out some of these stickier
    points. Hopefully!


    href="https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary/blob/master/html/voc/static/schema/diagrams/dataset-funding.png">https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary/blob/master/html/voc/static/schema/diagrams/dataset-funding.png

    cheers, Adam

     On Jan 3, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Eric Lingerfelt <
    href="mailto:***@***.***">***@***.***> wrote:
     

    Hi Siri, 

     

    I have CCed Doug and Adam on this email. They may have further
    comments beyond my responses below. 

    1. P418 will provide text, keyword, and spatial search from
    harvested metadata indexes that will include extensions beyond
    what Google has planned. This will enable more robust search
    criteria that integrates multiple vocabularies and ontologies. 

    2. That’s correct. We are using geolink:Award (see 
    href="https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary#dataset-funding">https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary#dataset-funding).
    We could use schema:funder for highlighting EC funded projects and
    data. We will take a look at this.

    3. We may include that in the final report, but we will definitely
    but looking into that kind of integration as we examine steps
    forward past p418.

    Cheers, 

    Eric

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    Officer

    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">EarthCube
    Science Support Office (ESSO)

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    CO

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    style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Email:
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    On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:59 AM, Siri Jodha Khalsa <
    href="mailto:***@***.***">***@***.***> wrote:

    Hi Eric,

    When I learned about P418 from the AHM online material I was
    like super excited to see this direction being pursued in
    EarthCube. As you may know, crawling for data was part of my
    BCube project and I was a vocal proponent of the
    publish/harvest paradigm over the central registry idea that
    the Tiger Team recommended.

    I have some further questions based on the presentation you
    made yesterday:

    1. style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1
      level1 lfo3">
      what will an EC harvester/registry offer to a user
      beyond what that person could do with google alone?
      assume, since Google is on board, that they will expand
      what they include in their harvest of
      schema.org markup.
    2. style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1
      level1 lfo3">
      are there plans to include an "EarthCube" identifier in
      any of the metadata, say under "funder"?  I see "award"
      in the proposed schema, and this could be linked to
      EarthCube if there was a way to associate a given award
      with the EarthCube project.  this is related to the
      issue of EC success metrics
    3. style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1
      level1 lfo3">
      A vital source for many earth scientists is the NASA
      Earth Science Data and Information System (ESDIS), which
      exposes its dataset metadata via various APIs, including
      OpenSearch with geo, time and parameter extensions, and
      facet support:
      https://cmr.earthdata.nasa.gov/opensearch/
      Also, note that the main CMR search API supports
      responses in JSON:

      href="https://cmr.earthdata.nasa.gov/search/site/docs/search/api.html#json">https://cmr.earthdata.nasa.gov/search/site/docs/search/api.html#json.
      Will the final report from P418 include a path forward
      for incorporating other harvesting conventions?

    Cheers,

    SiriJodha

    --

     

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    From: JennieLarkin <
    href="mailto:***@***.***" moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:00 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <
    href="mailto:***@***.***" moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***>,
    a-waarda <
    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***>, Pete
    McQuilton <
    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***>,
    Data Discovery RDA Group <
    href="mailto:***@***.***-groups.org"
    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re:
    [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...

    That is something that
    NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly
    effective), with their oceanic and climate data. 

    Jeff DLB could tell you
    if what they did is actually relevant to this topic
    and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested
    in this proposed task force.
    style="font-size:10.5pt">

    jennie
     

    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">

    From:
    style="font-size:10.5pt"> sjskhalsa [
    href="mailto:***@***.***"
    moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:***@***.***]

    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
    To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <
    href="mailto:***@***.***"
    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***>;
    Pete McQuilton <
    href="mailto:***@***.***"
    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***>;

    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re:
    [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest
    Group:...

    Hi Anita,

    This is a topic I'm
    interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even
    that well versed in it.  Also, given that EarthCube
    and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear
    on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.

    Cheers,

    SiriJodha

    On 12/19/17 2:28 PM,
    Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:

    Excellent! 

     

    Would the two of you be
    interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic,
    then? All we’d need is a few lines of description,
    and we can put a call out to the group to start an
    initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be
    great!
     

    Thanks so much,
     

    Anita
     

    1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">

    From:
    Pete
    McQuilton <
    href="mailto:***@***.***"
    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***>
    Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28
    AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <
    href="mailto:***@***.***"
    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***>,
    Data Discovery RDA Group <
    href="mailto:***@***.***-groups.org"
    moz-do-not-send="true">***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re:
    [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest
    Group: Looking back and...

     

    Hi all,

    Thanks SiriJodha
    for the Earthcube link, the documentation
    looks very comprehensive.

    I'd like to add
    another link if I may, for the bioschemas
    initiative (
    moz-do-not-send="true">http://bioschemas.org),
    which aims to improve data interoperability in
    the life sciences, through schema.org and
    'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.

    Cheers,

    Pete

    FAIRsharing.org

    On 18/12/2017
    19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:

    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

    Howdy Everyone,
    In regard to
    this potential future topic:

    On 12/1/17
    7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:

    style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

    ·  Making
    research data more discoverable by search
    engines. 

    An NSF
    EarthCube project has done a lot of work on
    guidelines for producing quality schema.org
    markup, with additional extensions to
    schema.org classes, that should help
    repositories produce markup that will pass
    the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with
    0 errors:

    href="https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary"
    moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary

    Cheers,
    SiriJodha

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    Author: Jennie Larkin

    Date: 04 Jan, 2018

    Oh! I did not know that was my action item. However, I am happy to do it today.
    Jennie
    - Show quoted text -From: Siri Jodha Khalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 2:44 AM
    To: Larkin, Jennie (NIH/NIDDK) [E] <***@***.***>; Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    We may have a critical mass to start a TF on recommendations for schema.org markup (or. perhaps more generally, recommendations for data publishing to improve discovery by search engines). Doug Fils and Adam Shepherd, of Project 418 are willing to contribute, and possibly lead. If Pete is willing to contribute and also someone from NOAA, this could get things rolling.
    Jennie, did you get a hold of Jeff DLB or find someone who might want to join?
    sjs
    -------- Forwarded Message --------
    Subject:
    Re: some further Qs and comments re P418
    Date:
    Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:04:50 +0000
    From:
    Douglas Fils <***@***.***>
    To:
    ***@***.*** <***@***.***>, Adam Shepherd <***@***.***>
    CC:
    Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***>
    SiriJodha
    I would and I am sure Adam would too. Additionally, it would be nice to look into these both for RDA and P418. It might also make good report out / sustainability material for the P418. As Adam mentioned there is the semantics meeting in Ohio this March and Dan Brickley will be there. If we had some material in had between P418 and RDA by then I suspect we could put together a good case to get some of his time. I know they (schema.org) are also looking at SOSA too. Adam, you and I should get some time to pour over SOSA at ESIP.
    Doug
    From: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>
    Organization: University of Colorado
    Reply-To: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:58 PM
    To: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, Adam Shepherd <***@***.***>
    Cc: Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: some further Qs and comments re P418
    Hi Doug,
    Yes, we had Natasha present to the RDA Data Discovery Paradigms Interest Group. We would like to start a working group specifically on improving data markup for discovery by crawlers. Would you be interested in joining and/or leading such a group?
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 1/3/18 10:40 PM, Douglas Fils wrote:
    SiriJodha,
    Just wanted to echo what Adam said and also, I think Eric did a good job addressing your questions. Feel free to dig through the git repo and pose any questions you have. We will likely have more to talk about in a couple weeks or so as there are several near-term goals we are working toward.
    Also... thanks for all your work on Bcube and your advocacy for this approach. I know you've been pushing this approach for some time now. I think you are also part of the RDA group that Natasha Noy presented to on this. Would very much like to engage with you on that via RDA so do please us in the loop on things occurring there.
    Take care
    Doug
    From: Adam Shepherd <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>
    Cc: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: some further Qs and comments re P418
    Hi SiriJodha,
    Thanks for your email! The link below is to a diagram of how we were envisioning someone could use schema.org to talk about an award. We would love to get feedback on it as it's one of the relationships that isn't fleshed out well in schema.org. We could create our own predicate for linking between a funder and Award, but *I think* using an existing schema.org class and property will help us explain to Google Research how our concepts map into theirs. I see that Dan Brickley will be at the U.S. Semantic Symposium in early March, and that might be an opportunity for us to get feedback from Google on how we should proceed in situations like this. Anyway, would like your feedback if you have opinions on our approach. Our aim in P418 wasn't to nail all metadata concepts perfectly, and we see P418 work being extended in the future by the community to flesh out some of these stickier points. Hopefully!
    https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary/blob/...
    cheers, Adam
    On Jan 3, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi Siri,
    I have CCed Doug and Adam on this email. They may have further comments beyond my responses below.
    1. P418 will provide text, keyword, and spatial search from harvested metadata indexes that will include extensions beyond what Google has planned. This will enable more robust search criteria that integrates multiple vocabularies and ontologies.
    2. That's correct. We are using geolink:Award (see https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary#datas...). We could use schema:funder for highlighting EC funded projects and data. We will take a look at this.
    3. We may include that in the final report, but we will definitely but looking into that kind of integration as we examine steps forward past p418.
    Cheers,
    Eric
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    Technical Officer
    EarthCube Science Support Office (ESSO)
    Boulder, CO
    Office: (303) 497-8626
    Email: ***@***.***
    On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:59 AM, Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi Eric,
    When I learned about P418 from the AHM online material I was like super excited to see this direction being pursued in EarthCube. As you may know, crawling for data was part of my BCube project and I was a vocal proponent of the publish/harvest paradigm over the central registry idea that the Tiger Team recommended.
    I have some further questions based on the presentation you made yesterday:
    1. what will an EC harvester/registry offer to a user beyond what that person could do with google alone? assume, since Google is on board, that they will expand what they include in their harvest of schema.org markup.
    2. are there plans to include an "EarthCube" identifier in any of the metadata, say under "funder"? I see "award" in the proposed schema, and this could be linked to EarthCube if there was a way to associate a given award with the EarthCube project. this is related to the issue of EC success metrics
    3. A vital source for many earth scientists is the NASA Earth Science Data and Information System (ESDIS), which exposes its dataset metadata via various APIs, including OpenSearch with geo, time and parameter extensions, and facet support: https://cmr.earthdata.nasa.gov/opensearch/. Also, note that the main CMR search API supports responses in JSON: https://cmr.earthdata.nasa.gov/search/site/docs/search/api.html#json. Will the final report from P418 include a path forward for incorporating other harvesting conventions?
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    --
    From: JennieLarkin <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:00 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, a-waarda <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    That is something that NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly effective), with their oceanic and climate data.
    Jeff DLB could tell you if what they did is actually relevant to this topic and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested in this proposed task force.
    jennie
    From: sjskhalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
    To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Hi Anita,
    This is a topic I'm interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even that well versed in it. Also, given that EarthCube and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 12/19/17 2:28 PM, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:
    Excellent!
    Would the two of you be interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic, then? All we'd need is a few lines of description, and we can put a call out to the group to start an initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be great!
    Thanks so much,
    Anita
    From: Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>
    Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group: Looking back and...
    Hi all,
    Thanks SiriJodha for the Earthcube link, the documentation looks very comprehensive.
    I'd like to add another link if I may, for the bioschemas initiative (http://bioschemas.org), which aims to improve data interoperability in the life sciences, through schema.org and 'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.
    Cheers,
    Pete
    FAIRsharing.org
    On 18/12/2017 19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:
    Howdy Everyone,
    In regard to this potential future topic:
    On 12/1/17 7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:
    * Making research data more discoverable by search engines.
    An NSF EarthCube project has done a lot of work on guidelines for producing quality schema.org markup, with additional extensions to schema.org classes, that should help repositories produce markup that will pass the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with 0 errors: https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
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    FAIRsharing.org
    Oxford e-Research Centre
    University of Oxford
    OX1 3QG, UK
    International Society of Biocuration
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    Oh! I did not know that was my action item. However, I am happy to do it today.
    Jennie
    From: Siri Jodha Khalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2018 2:44 AM
    To: Larkin, Jennie (NIH/NIDDK) [E] <***@***.***>; Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    We may have a critical mass to start a TF on recommendations for schema.org markup (or. perhaps more generally, recommendations for data publishing to improve discovery by search engines). Doug Fils and Adam Shepherd, of Project 418 are willing to contribute, and possibly lead. If Pete is willing to contribute and also someone from NOAA, this could get things rolling.
    Jennie, did you get a hold of Jeff DLB or find someone who might want to join?
    sjs
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    Subject:
    Re: some further Qs and comments re P418
    Date:
    Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:04:50 +0000
    From:
    Douglas Fils <***@***.***>
    To:
    ***@***.*** <***@***.***>, Adam Shepherd <***@***.***>
    CC:
    Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***>
    SiriJodha
    I would and I am sure Adam would too. Additionally, it would be nice to look into these both for RDA and P418. It might also make good report out / sustainability material for the P418. As Adam mentioned there is the semantics meeting in Ohio this March and Dan Brickley will be there. If we had some material in had between P418 and RDA by then I suspect we could put together a good case to get some of his time. I know they (schema.org) are also looking at SOSA too. Adam, you and I should get some time to pour over SOSA at ESIP.
    Doug
    From: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>
    Organization: University of Colorado
    Reply-To: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:58 PM
    To: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, Adam Shepherd <***@***.***>
    Cc: Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: some further Qs and comments re P418
    Hi Doug,
    Yes, we had Natasha present to the RDA Data Discovery Paradigms Interest Group. We would like to start a working group specifically on improving data markup for discovery by crawlers. Would you be interested in joining and/or leading such a group?
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 1/3/18 10:40 PM, Douglas Fils wrote:
    SiriJodha,
    Just wanted to echo what Adam said and also, I think Eric did a good job addressing your questions. Feel free to dig through the git repo and pose any questions you have. We will likely have more to talk about in a couple weeks or so as there are several near-term goals we are working toward.
    Also... thanks for all your work on Bcube and your advocacy for this approach. I know you've been pushing this approach for some time now. I think you are also part of the RDA group that Natasha Noy presented to on this. Would very much like to engage with you on that via RDA so do please us in the loop on things occurring there.
    Take care
    Doug
    From: Adam Shepherd <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, January 3, 2018 at 3:09 PM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>
    Cc: "***@***.***" <***@***.***>, Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***>
    Subject: Re: some further Qs and comments re P418
    Hi SiriJodha,
    Thanks for your email! The link below is to a diagram of how we were envisioning someone could use schema.org to talk about an award. We would love to get feedback on it as it's one of the relationships that isn't fleshed out well in schema.org. We could create our own predicate for linking between a funder and Award, but *I think* using an existing schema.org class and property will help us explain to Google Research how our concepts map into theirs. I see that Dan Brickley will be at the U.S. Semantic Symposium in early March, and that might be an opportunity for us to get feedback from Google on how we should proceed in situations like this. Anyway, would like your feedback if you have opinions on our approach. Our aim in P418 wasn't to nail all metadata concepts perfectly, and we see P418 work being extended in the future by the community to flesh out some of these stickier points. Hopefully!
    https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary/blob/...
    cheers, Adam
    On Jan 3, 2018, at 3:28 PM, Eric Lingerfelt <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi Siri,
    I have CCed Doug and Adam on this email. They may have further comments beyond my responses below.
    1. P418 will provide text, keyword, and spatial search from harvested metadata indexes that will include extensions beyond what Google has planned. This will enable more robust search criteria that integrates multiple vocabularies and ontologies.
    2. That's correct. We are using geolink:Award (see https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary#datas...). We could use schema:funder for highlighting EC funded projects and data. We will take a look at this.
    3. We may include that in the final report, but we will definitely but looking into that kind of integration as we examine steps forward past p418.
    Cheers,
    Eric
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    Eric Lingerfelt
    Technical Officer
    EarthCube Science Support Office (ESSO)
    Boulder, CO
    Office: (303) 497-8626
    Email: ***@***.***
    On Jan 3, 2018, at 6:59 AM, Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***> wrote:
    Hi Eric,
    When I learned about P418 from the AHM online material I was like super excited to see this direction being pursued in EarthCube. As you may know, crawling for data was part of my BCube project and I was a vocal proponent of the publish/harvest paradigm over the central registry idea that the Tiger Team recommended.
    I have some further questions based on the presentation you made yesterday:
    1. what will an EC harvester/registry offer to a user beyond what that person could do with google alone? assume, since Google is on board, that they will expand what they include in their harvest of schema.org markup.
    2. are there plans to include an "EarthCube" identifier in any of the metadata, say under "funder"? I see "award" in the proposed schema, and this could be linked to EarthCube if there was a way to associate a given award with the EarthCube project. this is related to the issue of EC success metrics
    3. A vital source for many earth scientists is the NASA Earth Science Data and Information System (ESDIS), which exposes its dataset metadata via various APIs, including OpenSearch with geo, time and parameter extensions, and facet support: https://cmr.earthdata.nasa.gov/opensearch/. Also, note that the main CMR search API supports responses in JSON: https://cmr.earthdata.nasa.gov/search/site/docs/search/api.html#json. Will the final report from P418 include a path forward for incorporating other harvesting conventions?
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
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    From: JennieLarkin <***@***.***>
    Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 11:00 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, a-waarda <***@***.***>, Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] RE: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    That is something that NOAA has implemented (and found it to be startlingly effective), with their oceanic and climate data.
    Jeff DLB could tell you if what they did is actually relevant to this topic and whether there might be someone at NOAA interested in this proposed task force.
    jennie
    - Show quoted text -From: sjskhalsa [mailto:***@***.***]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 10:22 AM
    To: Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) <***@***.***>; Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>; ***@***.***-groups.org
    Subject: Re: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group:...
    Hi Anita,
    This is a topic I'm interested in, but I'm by no means an expert, or even that well versed in it. Also, given that EarthCube and Bioschema have done a lot of the work, I'm unclear on what would be the goals output of a Task Force.
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
    On 12/19/17 2:28 PM, Dewaard, Anita (ELS-HBE) wrote:
    Excellent!
    Would the two of you be interested in coleading a Task Force on this topic, then? All we'd need is a few lines of description, and we can put a call out to the group to start an initial conversation on scope, etc. That would be great!
    Thanks so much,
    Anita
    From: Pete McQuilton
    <***@***.***>
    Date: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 7:28 AM
    To: Siri Jodha Khalsa <***@***.***>, Data Discovery RDA Group <***@***.***-groups.org>
    Subject: [datadiscovery] Re: [datadiscovery] The RDA Data Discovery interest Group: Looking back and...
    Hi all,
    Thanks SiriJodha for the Earthcube link, the documentation looks very comprehensive.
    I'd like to add another link if I may, for the bioschemas initiative (http://bioschemas.org), which aims to improve data interoperability in the life sciences, through schema.org and 'bioschema' extensions, where necessary.
    Cheers,
    Pete
    FAIRsharing.org
    On 18/12/2017 19:01, sjskhalsa wrote:
    Howdy Everyone,
    In regard to this potential future topic:
    On 12/1/17 7:07 PM, Anita de Waard wrote:
    * Making research data more discoverable by search engines.
    An NSF EarthCube project has done a lot of work on guidelines for producing quality schema.org markup, with additional extensions to schema.org classes, that should help repositories produce markup that will pass the Google Structured Data Testing Tool with 0 errors: https://github.com/earthcubearchitecture-project418/p418Vocabulary
    Cheers,
    SiriJodha
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    FAIRsharing.org
    Oxford e-Research Centre
    University of Oxford
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